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  • February 14, 2025 12:05 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Listen Here | From Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 436: Turning GenAI Possibilities into Reality

    Gen AI isn’t just a playground for creativity—it’s a tool for real business impact. But while some marketers are embracing the possibilities, others are stuck in experimentation mode without a clear strategy. So how do you go from dabbling to driving real business impact with AI?

    In this episode, Lisa Gately, Principal Analyst at Forrester, joins Drew Neisser to break down how CMOs can lead the charge in AI adoption, avoid common missteps, and harness Gen AI to create real business value. Lisa also shares a sneak peek into her session at Forrester’s 2025 B2B Summit, exploring how AI is reshaping marketing, sales, and customer experiences.

    What You’ll Learn

    • The top mistakes marketers make when adopting Gen AI—and how to avoid them.
    • Why Gen AI success requires change management, not just technology.
    • How CMOs can go beyond efficiency to drive real competitive advantage with AI.

    Want to take your AI strategy to the next level? Tune in!

    CMO Huddles members also get a 10% discount to Forrester’s 2025 B2B Summit—use code CMOHUDDLES25 to save!

    Register here: https://www.forrester.com/event/b2b-summit-north-america/

    For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/

  • February 11, 2025 3:39 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    “Marketing is the one area that’s working,” said the CEO to a perplexed CMO at a $500 million tech company. Normally, this would be a cause for celebration. But it came with a “keep doing what you’re doing” after the CMO had asked for more responsibility. I offered a sympathetic, “ugh,” and we got to work on a plan. As usual, this conversation sparked questions.

    What Did the CEO Mean by the Unusual Perception That Marketing Is Working?

    In this particular case, the CMO had been on the job for several years, giving the leader time to build both the brand reputation and a demand generation engine. The company had acquired several companies and the CMO had woven together disparate brands into one brand that is now the recognized category leader. The CMO had also built a strong “performance marketing” team and a metrics dashboard such that the CEO could see the impact marketing had on their revenue pipeline.

    What’s the Problem Here?

    It’s a fair question since many CMOs would dance on their desks for months after hearing those words from their CEOs. In this particular case, the CMO wanted to make a broader contribution to the organization and didn’t want to be pigeonholed as “just the marketing guy.” Yet, by performing the marketing function really well, that’s exactly what happened.

    Is This the End of the Story?

    Nope. This CMO is not to be denied. Through a series of carefully crafted conversations, this CMO will identify some “problem areas” the CEO wants fixed. Studying these, the CMO will suggest a plan of attack for 2-3 of them, offering to be the catalyst of change but not seeking an extra title. [Read Impact Players or check out my interview with Liz Wiseman to better understand this approach.]

    Could This Scenario Have Been Avoided?

    Maybe. When a CMO gets hired, it’s often to fix specific marketing-related problems. If those challenges aren’t addressed, full stop. That said, this is an AND scenario, not an OR situation. As leadership sage Michael Watkins explained recently to a huddle of attentive marketing leaders, “You need to shift from being a specialist to being a leader across the enterprise.”

    Watkins offered more specifics:

    • Broaden your purview: “Represent your function AND take the enterprise-wide perspective.”
    • Build alliances: “The more senior levels are about building alliances internally and externally. If you’re really going to have an impact, you need to be very clear about whose support is make or break for you.”
    • Set the agenda: “You need to move from problem solver to agenda setter (for the entire organization).”
    If you’re interested in hearing the full interview with Michael Watkins, author of The First 90 Days, mark your calendar for its release on February 28th at https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/


    Written by Drew Neisser

  • February 07, 2025 12:27 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Listen Here | From Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 435: From Clicks to Conversions

    Clicking is easy, converting is hard—let’s fix that. In this episode, Drew Neisser teams up with Sahil Patel, CEO of Spiralyze, to take a deep dive into what makes landing pages and home pages truly effective. But this isn’t just theory-Sahil gets hands-on by breaking down the CMO Huddles home page and landing page, highlighting common pitfalls and sharing actionable fixes.

    What you’ll learn:

    • The biggest conversion killers on landing pages-and how to fix them fast.
    • Why home pages need both storytelling and structure to keep visitors engaged.
    • How small design tweaks-like better CTAs, cleaner forms, and smarter layouts-can drive big results.
    Want to see the pages Sahil critiqued? Check the show notes on https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/ for links to the visual resources.
  • February 04, 2025 2:22 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    “I feel like I’m in a war zone; there’s so much transformation,” shared a tired but upbeat CMO from a billion-dollar software company. Empathetic heads nodded around the virtual huddle. Then we went to work isolating the time management issues. It was a revelation.

    You Can’t Outwork the CMO Role

    Feel free to try. Most do. Being Type A’s, many CMOs average 70-hour work weeks, especially during their first year. Their calendars are a solid block of meetings from 9-6 pm preceded and followed by more hours for their “real work.” Unless, of course, they have an international team, in which case the meeting hours extend to midnight. Doesn’t sound healthy, right?

    This Isn’t a Call for Sympathy

    On the contrary, exhausted CMOs know their fatigue is often self-inflicted. First, they wanted the job and worked hard to get it. Second, they know there’s a better way, but they can’t find the time to fix it, or worse yet, they don’t adopt the habits that will help them escape their personal hamster wheel. One thing is for certain - no one does their best work when they’re exhausted.

    Oft-Ignored Truth: You’re Trying to Do Too Much

    You’re good at what you do. You wouldn’t be CMO if you weren’t. But this is a curse. It makes it too easy for you to do things yourself, things that you could delegate. It also means you’re not just directing your team about “what to do” you’re also spending way too much time telling them “how to do it.”

    Our “war zone” CMO was in the process of transforming the team, the brand, the messaging, the tech stack, and the go-to-market strategy. I’m exhausted just writing that sentence. Perhaps this list was a mandate from the CEO. Regardless, even if you aim for transformation, don’t try to do everything simultaneously. It’s not just you who suffers. Your org most likely can’t keep up with your desired pace of change.

    8 Time Management Tips Shared by CMOs

    • Prioritize ruthlessly: Focus on a few big rocks (desired achievements)
    • Delegate liberally: Only do the things only you can do
    • Defend your calendar rabidly: Leave 20% of your week for thinking time.
    • Meet purposefully: "No agenda, don’t attenda!" End meetings 5 minutes early with clear action items
    • Batch productively: Create specific work windows for email, Slack, and messaging. These always-on channels will eat up your day and your brain power if not contained.
    • Track your time consistently: Few do this. One CMO noted that it was a hard habit to adopt, but after a month, it was easy. Knowing where his time was going meant he could manage it.
    • Share religiously: Sending weekly high-level updates to your team will save you countless hours of individual updates and keep the team aligned.
    • Recharge regularly: Don’t leave recharging to your vacations. Build "you-time" into your daily, if not weekly, schedule.


    What are your timely time management tips?


    Written by Drew Neisser

  • January 28, 2025 3:56 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    “Let’s move everything to the channels with the best ROI,” suggested a CFO to a CMO at a $75mm SaaS brand. “Not so fast,” replied the seasoned CMO, “marketing doesn’t work that way.” A painful conversation ensued. As usual, I had questions.

    Should CMOs Look at Performance by Channel?

    Of course. Most importantly, it can identify trends over time. A channel that worked well for you last year might be underperforming this year due to macro issues. For example, many B2B brands are seeing drops in organic search traffic and increased costs for paid search. Some of this is caused by the rise of LLMs, including in Google searches.

    But even with this example, it’s not that simple. Search performance is also directly linked to top-of-mind brand awareness. In my recent podcast interview with Jason Ing, CMO of Gusto, he shared that their search (both paid and organic) performance improved dramatically this year as they increased spending on brand advertising (specifically, promoted videos on linear TV, YouTube, and social channels).

    Should CMOs Share Channel Performance Data With Other Execs?

    Not if they can help it. Sharing this data with executives who don’t understand the interconnectedness of marketing activities will jump to faulty conclusions, like, “Let’s put all our money into search since that’s the most effective lead source.”

    Like Search, Email is another channel that, in isolation, can easily be misinterpreted. Sarah Jordan, the CMO of Constant Contact, a leading email service provider, recently shared, “Open rates of emails can increase dramatically when coupled with multichannel marketing activities.” Case in point – On Monday, I saw an ad for a new type of Allbirds (my secret obsession) on Instagram, and then an email arrived inviting me to an event at their SOHO store. Sold. When I show up at the store, they’ll attribute it to the email. It's not wrong, but it's also not the whole story.

    Sure, that’s a B2C story. One impulse buyer. Short sales cycle. B2B sellers face buying committees and longer sales cycles. But that only means that you need more touches via more channels to advance and close the sale.

    Since Data Must Be Shared With Other Executives, How Do You Avoid Getting Granular?

    Start by aligning with Sales. Better yet, create a plan that will make Sales love you. On an episode of CMO Huddles Studio, Kelly Hopping, CMO of Demandbase, noted that everyone on her team knows their role in generating Sales love. Explains Hopping, “It doesn’t mean that everything is optimized for Sales or bottom of the funnel pipeline – it means we give them a brand that they love, content that’s easy to consume and share, events that they’re proud to invite their customer to, etc.”

    Once Sales understands how the pieces fit together, you can then jointly share metrics on a campaign level or a multi-quarter basis. Ideally, these include blended measures of brand strength AND pipeline health.


    What metrics are you sharing?


    Written by Drew Neisser

  • January 24, 2025 10:20 AM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Listen Here | From Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 433: Marketing to Your CEO + CFO

    How do marketers bridge the gap between bold creative ambition and the hard-nosed expectations of the C-suite? In this episode, Drew Neisser chats with Kay Moffett of Amplify, Katrina Klier of Sage Strategy Group, and Lakshmi Randall to uncover how CMOs can align marketing initiatives with business priorities while proving their value to their CEOs and CFOs.

    In this episode:

    • Kay Moffett reveals how Amplify’s podcast, Science of Reading, became a catalyst for a movement in education, driving product adoption and underscoring the power of long-term brand investments.
    • Katrina Klier shares her ART framework—Awareness, Recognition, Traction—a practical model for demonstrating marketing’s impact through both leading and lagging indicators.

    • Lakshmi Randall dives into strategies for aligning with CFO and CEO priorities, including focusing on shared goals, running strategic experiments, and balancing short-term wins with long-term initiatives.
    You’ll also learn:
    • Why anecdotal insights—or “anecdata”—can be as persuasive as hard metrics when proving marketing’s value.
    • How consistent reporting can help CMOs build trust with the C-suite.
    • The balancing act between short-term demand gen and long-term brand-building strategies.
    Tune in and discover how to turn the C-suite into marketing’s biggest advocates!

    For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/

  • January 21, 2025 3:54 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    “Everybody knows the strategy,” said the CEO to the CMO of a public tech company. The CMO said, “I’m not sure you’re right,” and investigated. A survey of 9 execs returned with 9 different answers. The CMO added strategic alignment to her list. I had questions.

    Is It the CMO's Job to Drive Strategic Alignment?

    No. It's the CEO's job. In my over-simplified leadership framework, the CEO has three primary responsibilities: 1) Set the vision; 2) Hire the team (to realize the vision); and 3) Allocate resources (to execute the vision). Implicit in “setting the vision” is strategy.

    But What If the CEO Doesn’t Set the Vision?

    The organization has a major problem. Conflict will arise at every turn. Silos will thrive. If the CEO doesn’t set a clear strategy, the Heads of Sales, Marketing, Product, and Service will go in separate directions, ensuring chaos. No flywheel. Just chaos.

    If There’s a Strategic Void, Should the CMO Step In?

    Someone has to. Many CMOs are capable strategists. More importantly, they know how to drive consensus. To bring leadership teams together. To help CEOs align the organization around a crystal-clear business strategy.

    What the Hell Is a Business Strategy?

    Ah, there’s the rub. Defining strategy is like defining water (at least it is for me). I have to refer to experts. Alex H W Smith defines strategy as “The unique value a business provides to the market.” That works for me, at least as a starting point. You’ll need to read Alex’s book “No Bullsh*t Strategy,” to go deeper. Now prepare for blasphemy.

    Strategies Are Useless

    While we’re covering the basics, think ABT as in “always be testing.” No, duh, right? The only nuance I can add here is that many tests are focused on the wrong outcomes. For example, some A/B landing page tests are measured on the quantity of form fills. The result can be a lot of time-wasting follow-up on “leads” that aren’t worth the pixels they’re imprinted upon. Ideally, you’re able to track the visitor beyond the landing page to an action that indicates genuine interest (like watching a demo or checking out your pricing page). Better yet, the buyer contacts you when they’re ready.

    Can You Stop Talking About Theory and Provide an Example?

    You betcha. My case in point? Case Paper. It’s an 80-year-old family-run business with over 400 employees. Their strategy? Never lose a customer (by providing superior service). Using Alex Smith’s framework, I might rephrase this: “Case Paper is the only paper distributor whose service makes customers smile.” We’re getting closer.

    The magic happened in the execution. Six years ago, Case Paper adopted “on the case” as the company’s mantra. Employees are encouraged to demonstrate their “on-the-case-ness” by being reliable, resourceful, and responsive. Every month, an employee is recognized for being “on the case.” Every year, Case’s biggest customers are recognized with wonderfully silly “on the case” awards.

    Most importantly, all of Case’s communications are infused with dad humor and abundant color. They take customer service seriously but not themselves. Their recruitment ads are actually funny. Even their logo lockup is a pun. The words “on the” sit atop the word Case in their logo.

    Get it? The CMO of Case Paper did. And now he’s the CEO.


    Written by Drew Neisser

  • January 17, 2025 11:36 AM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Listen Here | From Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 432: Master B2B Buyer Mayhem

    B2B buying has never been more complicated—or more critical for marketers to master.

    In this episode, Drew Neisser is joined by Dave Frankland, Forrester’s VP Research Director, for a sneak peek at Forrester’s 2025 B2B Summit and the theme of “Master Buyer Mayhem.” Together, they explore the ever-evolving dynamics of buyer groups, self-service trends, and the growing influence of generative AI in the B2B landscape.

    In this episode:

    • Navigating Buyer Complexity: Learn how to effectively engage the 20+ people who influence B2B buying decisions, including internal and external stakeholders.
    • Elevating customer success: Discover how aligning promise-makers (sales) with promise-keepers (customer success) can drive loyalty and advocacy, even for unhappy customers.
    • Transforming revenue processes: Discover how companies like Siemens and Reltio streamlined buying journeys and aligned teams for a customer-first approach.
    • Self-serve buying journeys: Explore how the rise of self-service is reshaping traditional sales and marketing strategies—and what you can do to stay ahead.

    Tune in for actionable insights and frameworks that can help B2B marketers thrive amidst the chaos—and walk away ready to tame the buyer mayhem in your own organization.

    And if you like what you hear, make sure you register for Forrester’s 2025 B2B Summit in Phoenix (March 31-April 3, 2025)! If you’re a Huddler, reach out to us for a special discount code.

    For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/

  • January 14, 2025 10:37 AM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    “Our demand gen efforts stopped driving pipeline,” shared a challenged CMO from a $45mil SaaS company. The other marketing leaders in the huddle jumped into action, diagnosing the issues and offering testable solutions. It was time to get into the weeds.

    What to Do When Stuff Stops Working

    Pause. Breathe. Look at the data. Talk to your peers. Form hypotheses. Test some quick fixes that will buy you time to identify the bigger issues (most likely your overall go-to-market strategy relative to competitive actions).

    Look at the Data

    “I’d be looking at historical trends of the leads that came from inbound channels,” advised a fellow Huddler. “If you can segment these leads by industry, persona, or title perhaps you’ll see some trend lines and a vein of gold which you can lean into,” they added. “If you can see things that converted down the funnel into pipeline before, double down on those activities,” the Huddler concluded.

    Find Your Blunt Instruments

    Every CMO needs to have some “blunt instruments” that attract prospective buyers. For many B2B CMOs, webinars play that role. They are inexpensive to produce, and if the topics are timely and the content informative, your audience will respond. “Perfect is the enemy of good when it comes to webinars," noted one CMO. “Even when we can’t find a client to join the webinar, we can still generate a goodly amount of MQLs,” they added. [Do you have some blunt instruments? If yes, what are they?]

    Are You Scaring Off Your Prospects?

    Eager to fill the pipeline, many marketers accidentally scare off their buyers. It starts when a prospect provides their contact info on a form in order to download content or join a webinar. Shortly thereafter, an overeager, under-trained 22-year-old SDR starts hounding the prospect. The bridge gets burned faster than you can say, “DQ.”

    To address this problem, some marketers are testing LLM-driven virtual agents. These agents are trained on your content and can offer visitors a curated experience. The goal is to keep the visitor engaged on your website longer than the usual “land and leave” type. Even a modest uptick in time spent on your website can have a dramatic impact on downstream conversions. [Are you testing virtual agents? If yes, please share your learnings.]

    Dancing with ABT

    While we’re covering the basics, think ABT as in “always be testing.” No, duh, right? The only nuance I can add here is that many tests are focused on the wrong outcomes. For example, some A/B landing page tests are measured on the quantity of form fills. The result can be a lot of time-wasting follow-up on “leads” that aren’t worth the pixels they’re imprinted upon. Ideally, you’re able to track the visitor beyond the landing page to an action that indicates genuine interest (like watching a demo or checking out your pricing page). Better yet, the buyer contacts you when they’re ready.


    Can you network for answers? If not, check out our free Starter program. No SDRs will call.


    Written by Drew Neisser

  • January 10, 2025 12:25 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Listen Here | From Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 431: Don’t Risk Playing It Safe: B2B Lessons from Leaders Leap

    Playing it safe might feel smart, but it’s the riskiest move of all. In this episode, Drew Neisser sits down with Steve Dennis, author of Leaders Leap, to explore the critical moments when leaders must embrace risk, drive innovation, and challenge the status quo.

    In this episode:

    • What Got You Here Won’t Get You There: Why past successes might not guarantee future results, and how to adapt to a rapidly changing environment.
    • A Slightly Better Version of Mediocre Won’t Cut It: Why incremental improvements are no longer enough and how to aim for true remarkability.
    • Customer-Centric or Just Lip Service? The gap between saying that you’re customer-focused and actually delivering on it.

    You’ll also learn::

    • How CMOs can position themselves as strategic leaders within their organizations.
    • Why being “special, not big” can be a winning strategy in a competitive market.
    • Practical steps for balancing long-term transformation with short-term results.
    Whether you’re navigating strategic pivots, championing customer-centric initiatives, or striving to build a remarkable brand, this conversation is packed with insights to help you leap with confidence into 2025 and beyond.

    For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/

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