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  • September 20, 2024 11:28 AM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Listen Here | From Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 415: New Rules (for CMOs) of B2B Marketing + PR

    What do surfboards, The Grateful Dead, and the Savannah Bananas baseball team have in common? If you ask marketing expert David Meerman Scott, they all hold valuable lessons for creating a standout marketing strategy that connects deeply with your audience.

    In this episode, David joins host Drew Neisser to discuss the latest (9th!) edition of his iconic book, The New Rules of Marketing & PR, and how CMOs can navigate a rapidly changing landscape with AI, content creation, and fan-building strategies. From redefining traditional marketing to real-world examples with unconventional success, David offers practical advice for B2B CMOs aiming to stay ahead in 2025 and beyond.

    A few key takeaways:

    • Why understanding your audience is still the bedrock of effective marketing
    • How AI is impacting content creation—and where companies are getting it wrong
    • The power of newsjacking: how to inject your brand into breaking news to capture attention and boost visibility

    • The enduring value of building real-world experiences to connect with customers

    • Marketing lessons from the Grateful Dead and how to apply them to your business

    Tune in for insights on the future of marketing, how to stand out, and how unconventional thinking can drive success in the B2B world

    What You’ll Learn 

    • How to newsjack (aka leverage breaking news for brand visibility)  
    • How B2B companies should be using AI
    • Real-world examples of winning brands
    For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/
  • September 17, 2024 4:40 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    “The biggest surprise is that our CFO has some good ideas,” noted a startled CMO from a $275mil services company. I held back while others (in our huddle) shared how they managed solicited and unsolicited marketing counsel. What a minefield!

    Flipping Unwanted Input Into Opportunity

    Biases are blinding.

    Of course, some CFOs have good ideas. Just because they have financial expertise doesn’t mean their business acumen is limited to debits and credits. Give them some credit and perhaps they’ll extend you some too in the form of a bigger budget!

    But this isn’t a story about idea-rich CFOs.

    This is about an often overlooked opportunity disguised as a problem. Your peers probably don’t understand how marketing works having never spent a day in your department. So it would be easy to dismiss their ideas, especially since 93 out of 100 are probably terrible. It would also be overwhelming to respond to all of the unsolicited ideas. And even worse if you implemented the ones that were off strategy.

    Let’s navigate this minefield together. It’s not that everyone thinks they’re a marketer. They just think marketing is the fun part of the business. And they want to play, too. So, unsolicited input abounds. Annoying. Irritating. Manageable? You bet.

    Marketing is not a democracy. It just needs to feel like one.

    Setting Guardrails Without Stifling Creativity

    Knowing that everyone in your org thinks they’re marketers is a huge opportunity, not a problem. This is about getting ahead of unsolicited input and driving the process. This starts on your arrival at a new org. Field an employee survey. Not the typical HR survey. A marketing one that taps into their desire to share ideas and benchmarks how employees feel about the brand. 

    Next, meet 1:1 with your peers in the C-suite. Establish a shared understanding of what great looks like. Let them know you welcome their input BUT only during your planning windows. Once the marketing plan is locked down, tell them when you’ll be soliciting their input again. This is a two-way process and they will appreciate your restraint when advising them in their area of expertise.

    Inviting Ideas Without Derailing Strategy

    Go broader. Implement an “innovation day/week.” There are various ways to run these. All have common components. The entire org gets to share ideas that address specific business challenges (the employee can identify the challenge or you can provide a couple). Cross-functional teams work together to come up with solutions. Broad participation is encouraged. Winning ideas are celebrated and in some cases, funded.

    By giving employees a forum to contribute ideas, you’re empowering them. You’re letting them play in the sandbox. You’re also building a culture of learning, experimentation, and collaboration. Your “generosity” will be rewarded with more control over your overall strategy and primary tactics.

    Final Thoughts

    There are an infinite number of ideas. Your job is to define the strategy and focus relentlessly on only the ideas that support it. If those ideas come from your CFO, lucky you!


    Written by Drew Neisser

  • September 13, 2024 11:25 AM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Listen Here | From Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 414: Building a Dream B2B Marketing Team

    What does it take to build a powerhouse B2B marketing team that can scale and succeed in today’s fast-paced world? In this episode, CMOs Marca Armstrong (Sensera Systems), Lesley Davis (Waggoner Engineering), and Isabelle Papoulias (BackBox) share their proven strategies for assembling and nurturing high-performing teams.

    Key topics discussed include:

    • Hiring for complementary skills to strengthen your team’s capabilities
    • Nurturing internal talent to unlock potential and promote from within
    • Aligning marketing efforts with business goals to drive strategic growth
    • Balancing creativity with AI to stay relevant in the evolving marketing landscape
    Tune in to learn how these marketing leaders are building teams that make a lasting impact

    What You’ll Learn

    • How 3 CMOs built and evolved their marketing teams
    • How to establish team culture
    • How to align metrics and performance
    For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/
  • September 10, 2024 5:35 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    “Why can’t you just get more pipeline?” asked the founder-CEO of a $125mil SaaS brand. The CMO took a deep breath and tried to explain how marketing works without condescending. It was a fruitless conversation initiated by the wrong question.

    The Problem with the "Just Get More Pipeline" Approach

    This scenario is being replayed at countless companies with equally ungratifying conclusions. Founders who enjoyed rapid growth due to a combination of plentiful cash, strong economic tailwinds and a temporarily unique product offering are suddenly confronted with the challenge of leading a sustainable business. It isn’t pretty.

    Great leaders ask great questions. Inexperienced ones seek blame. Notice that the CEO spotlighted here starts his question with “Why can’t you…” versus “Why aren’t we…” Questions that include “We” recognize collective responsibility to address the organization’s biggest challenges.

    Leaders own challenges.

    The Danger of “Just” Thinking

    This isn’t the only problem with the question. There’s the use of “just” as in “just spend marketing dollars on demand-generating activities” which is also folly. As Jon Miller, co-founder of Marketo and Engagio likes to put it, “Marketing is not a gumball machine.” In other words, you can’t just put in a quarter and expect a deal to fall through the chute.

    The biggest issue with the question is its demand, “get more pipeline.” I’m not suggesting that marketers shouldn’t contribute to business growth. That’s a given but not the problem here. When fast-growing businesses suddenly stop growing the problem isn’t “just” a marketing one. It’s usually a combination of product performance, customer experience, employee engagement, reputational strength, and economic conditions.

    A great leaders asks, “Why aren’t we growing?” and convenes a braintrust to assess the problem and revise the overall business strategy. It might be just a tweak to the product or pricing or positioning or experience. More likely, it is a distinctive combination of all four summarized in a crystal clear promise to the market. A promise that permeates and aligns the organization. A promise that inspires employees, customers, and partners. A promise that when executed with relentless consistency delivers growth.

    Growth is not a strategy. It’s an outcome of a successful strategy.

    Stop Thinking Pipeline. Start Thinking Promise.

    Growth is not a strategy. Yet every day, a founder-CEO is parroting the question they’re being asked by investors, “What are you doing to grow the business?” Imagine for a moment if we just changed two words in this question, so it read, “What are we doing to differentiate the business?” Oh the power. Oh the profundity.

    We differentiate.

    So here, finally, marketing leaders, are your marching orders. When asked for growth, you accept the challenge of differentiation. Talk to your customers. Survey your employees. Find the strategic insight. Set the agenda. Convene your peers. Lead the development of a singular promise. A promise that engenders competitive advantage. A promise that, when cleverly and consistently executed, captures mind space.

    Go forth and differentiate.


    Written by Drew Neisser

  • September 06, 2024 9:56 AM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Listen Here | From Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 413: How to Train Your CEO

    How can CMOs effectively coach their CEOs and cultivate a strong, productive relationship? In this episode, executive coach Susan Gurnik shares her expert strategies for CMOs looking to navigate the complex dynamics of working with CEOs, whether they’re first-timers or seasoned leaders.
    • Learn how to actively listen and align with your CEO’s vision, even when it’s not fully formed
    • Discover techniques for handling high-stress situations and managing all different flavors of executive leaders   
    • Explore real-world examples of successful CEO-CMO relationships and how subtle coaching can lead to transformational growth
    • Understand the importance of setting boundaries, using common language, and being adaptable in the face of ever-changing business demands
    If you’re a marketing leader looking to strengthen your relationship with your CEO and drive greater success for your organization, this episode is packed with practical advice and insights you won’t want to miss! 

    What You’ll Learn

    • How to build a better relationship with your CEO
    • Tips for active listening
    • How to navigate fundamental disagreements
    For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/
  • September 03, 2024 5:14 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    “I changed my title to Chief Market Officer,” shared a CMO from a $800mil SaaS brand. “Why do we have the only role in the C-suite with an activity-based title?” the CMO added. Knowing that other high-profile CMOs like Latané Conant used “Market” instead of “Marketing,” I held my tongue. Until now.

    But before I disparage this semantic sleight of hand, let’s review the rationale commonly offered for making this switch:

    • Perception: Using “Market” implies the role is about strategy and leading versus executing tasks
    • Recognition: Using “Market” elevates the role on par with the other executives
    • Scope: Using “Market” signifies a wider scope encompassing all market-related strategies and operations
    • Evolution: Using “Market” reflects the increasingly data-driven and customer-centric nature of the role

    Why Changing the Title Won't Change the Role

    These are all desirable outcomes. And no doubt CMOs (as a whole) could use a reputational upgrade right now. Trust in their expertise is declining. CEO expectations of rapid-pipeline acceleration are out of whack with how marketing works. Or should I say, “how markets work!”

    Unfortunately, the argument for rebranding Chief Marketing Officer to Chief Market Officer is as shallow as the one’s often made for redesigning a logo or changing a brand’s color palette. Putting a new coat of paint on old barn does not change the shabby nature of the structure.

    If old barns don’t ring your bell, how about one of these analogies:

    • Does changing the book cover impact the words inside?
    • Does renaming a dish change the recipe?
    • Could a different name have saved the Edsel, Ford’s legendary flop?
    Changing a title does not alter the fundamental nature, responsibilities, or impact of the role. The true measure of a CMO's effectiveness lies in their actions, strategies, and contributions to the organization's success, not in the specific wording of their title.

    Actions Speak Louder than Titles

    Rather than confusing the “market” with a new title, let’s focus on the meaningful change that Chief Marketing Officers are uniquely capable of delivering. Here’s that agenda:
    • Time management: Spend more time leading marketing than doing marketing
    • Strategic leadership: Create and gain consensus for a 3-year strategic go-to-market plan that recognizes the interdependencies of product, sales, marketing and CX
    • Board management: Avoid conversations about tactical specifics. Demonstrate you think big and act in the interest of the entire organization
    • Employee leadership: As the best communicator in the organization, treat employees as audience #1 and make sure they appreciate and can articulate your unique selling proposition
    • Customer-Centricity: Marketing without customer insights is like an atmosphere without oxygen. Own the research process and Customer Advisory Boards. Make sure your customer experience is so good that testimonials are as plentiful as summer sunshine
    • Foster Collaboration: Lead by example. While other execs try to build fiefdoms, be the ultimate partner. Set the agenda but share the credit
    And if all else fails, turn your CEO into an industry star. It’s not as “suck-uppy” as it sounds. A well-crafted thought leadership initiative can not only help gain exposure for your company and free speaking slots, it also can generate pipeline. Making your boss look good always works.

    A Title Won't Change Your Impact

    With apologies to the Bard, “a rose by any other name would smell as sweet in the C-suite.”


    Written by Drew Neisser

  • August 30, 2024 12:58 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Listen Here | From Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 412: The CMO Change Agent

    How can marketing truly lead transformational change in an organization? In this episode, top B2B CMOs Paige O’Neill of Seismic, Kevin Ruane of Precisely, and Amy Messano of Altair share their experiences and strategies for driving big change within their organizations.
    • Uncover the strategies behind successful brand consolidation and the impact it has on growth and employee engagement
    • Explore how to position marketing at the center of your business strategy and why it’s crucial for driving long-term success
    • Hear real-life stories of how these marketing leaders have navigated the challenges of shifting to ABM, embracing generative AI, and fostering a culture of innovation
    • Gain insights into securing and maintaining executive and board-level buy-in for ambitious marketing initiatives
    If you’re ready to take on the role of a change agent in your organization, this episode offers the insights and inspiration you need to lead with confidence. Tune in!

    What You’ll Learn

    • How 3 CMOs drive change at their organizations
    • How to navigate an acquisitive brand
    • Tips for driving organizational change
    For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/
  • August 27, 2024 4:01 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    “I dumped our BDRs” shared a disruptive CMO from a $650mil SaaS brand, “And, guess what? We’re exceeding our revenue goals.” “It was painful for those reps,” the CMO explained, “but in retrospect, it was an easy decision--their cost exceeded their value and we had better ways to spend that money.”

    Easy, perhaps. But it raised several questions in my mind:

    • Why aren’t BDRs paying out?
    • Why aren’t more CMOs ditching their BDRs?
    • What did this CMO do with the BDR budget?

    The Broken BDR Model

    Brand development representatives (BDRs) are typically expected to turn “suspects” into “prospects.” They follow up on inbound form fills or names captured at trade shows. They reach out via email, social media, texts, and phone calls. It’s usually an unfun job with high failure rates. And for good reason.

    The BDR role is built on a faulty premise.

    When you and I visit a website and provide an email address to unlock a piece of content, 99% of the time we do so begrudgingly and with trepidation. We know a rep will try to contact us, a rep we don’t want to speak with that day or maybe ever! We just wanted that content. If we were interested in speaking with someone, we would do so on our schedule. And the effort to contact us is annoying. Off-putting. Maybe even interest-killing.

    BDRs don’t fit into how most of us buy products and services for our businesses. When we recognize a need, we do our homework. Search the web. Read reviews. Confer with colleagues. Talk to analysts. We create a short list of brands we already trust and ones we discover through research.

    When ready, we’ll ask for a demo or to speak with an expert. If it’s a complex purchase, we’ll involve multiple people at our company and want multiple conversations with specialists and other customers. At no point do we want to speak with individuals who can’t bring value to the conversation.

    The BDR Safety Net that’s Dragging CMOs Down

    If BDRs are ill-conceived, then why aren’t more CMOs just saying “no?” The first answer is that at some companies BDRs are adding value. [If that’s the case for you, I’d love to hear from you.] Another is that no one bothered to do an ROI assessment. The most likely answer is that having BDRs is standard operating procedure, particularly for SaaS brands. It’s the way Marketing tries to push leads down the funnel. Tries. And fails. Way too often.

    How One CMO’s Bold Reallocation Supercharged Customer Marketing

    So, how did our disruptive CMO reallocate the BDR budget? Most of the money went into customer marketing. These dollars were used to help customers get the most value out of their current software via in-person events, webinars, and customized content. By focusing on current customers, they increased their c-sat scores, reduced churn rates, and bumped up advocacy. 75% of their revenue growth came from existing customers who bought more.

    And, how did they secure the 25% of revenue growth from new customers? Experienced salespeople did their job. They knew their category. They knew the pain points. The value proposition they shared (when asked) was consistent with what the prospects discovered on their own. They anticipated all of the prospect’s questions. They were helpful. Not pushy. And they sure as heck didn’t send unsolicited emails or texts.

    If your BDRs can do that, congrats. That’s awesome. If not, make sure what they are doing is budget-worthy.


    Written by Drew Neisser

  • August 23, 2024 11:37 AM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Listen Here | From Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 411: How to Be a Standout Startup

    Standing out in the B2B world isn’t getting any easier. In this episode, we dive deep into the art of positioning with Allyson Letteri, author of Standout Startup.

    Key findings include:

    • Learn the top three mistakes brands make and how to avoid them
    • Discover how to create compelling messaging that sets you apart   
    • Hear real-world success stories from companies like Handshake and Thumbtack
    • Understand the importance of alignment between marketing and sales
    • Get actionable tips on content strategy and customer journey optimization

    If you’re ready to transform your startup into a standout success, this episode is packed with practical advice you won’t want to miss!

    And to hear more from Allyson, she’ll be speaking at the upcoming CMO Super Huddle in Palo Alto (Nov 7th-8th, 2024).

    What You’ll Learn

    • 3 key positioning mistakes most brands are making
    • How to create compelling messaging that sets you apart 
    • Why you need to map to the customer journey
    • Real world use cases of B2B brands who mastered positioning
    For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/
  • August 22, 2024 5:39 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    “Our budget was slashed again,” exclaimed a frustrated CMO from a $75mil SaaS company. “The staff I have left is depressed, and those who can are jumping ship. Anyone have any ideas for me?” the CMO asked. And so began another CMO Huddle in the “hidden recession” of 2024.

    Reflecting on the Economic Realities

    Before breaking down the potential solutions to this common challenge for many B2B CMOs, let’s reflect on the economic realities our recent research revealed:
    • 69% of B2B marketing leaders believe their industry is in a recession
    • 50% noted their company experienced layoffs
    • 69% of marketing leaders were asked to do more with less budget
    • 76% of marketing leaders are experiencing more pressure to deliver pipeline results

    Rebuilding After Layoffs

    Now let’s tackle this CMO’s leadership challenge after layoffs and budget cuts. Most of the time, layoffs do not end up with the optimal mix of talent based on the reduced budget. Sure, you may have eliminated some weak performers. That’s always helpful. But the critical question is, given your new budget, do you have the right mix of talent? If you had started from scratch, is this the team you would have put in place?

    Optimizing Your Team

    Rather than fretting about staffers jumping ship, think of that as an opportunity to right-size and rebuild with a team unburdened by what happened before. Look for “utility players” who are eager to tackle more than one role and “Impact Players” as outlined in Liz Wiseman’s great book. These more flexible individuals will be invaluable as you look to stretch every penny.

    Questions to Guide Your Go-To-Market Strategy

    Now, on to allocating your smaller budget. The biggest mistake you can make is to cut each area equally. Instead, restart your strategic process. Notice I didn’t say “restart your budgeting process.”

    A smaller budget requires more focus. First, your smaller staff won’t be able to cover the same ground they did before. Second, your overall reach is likely to drop or your dollars will be spread too thin to make an impact. But again, you need to tackle your go-to-market strategy before deciding on budget allocation.

    So, where to focus? Here are some questions to consider:

    • Can you eliminate one or more products/services in your portfolio?
    • Can you drop a vertical market or two?
    • Can you refine your Ideal Customer Profile?
    • Can you fixate on one vulnerable competitor and win more of those deals?
    • Can you reposition your product/service to make it more appealing to a specific target?
    • Can we adopt a more distinctive personality to help us cut through?

    Finding Your Unique Market Position

    This exercise is ultimately about differentiation. Narrowing the market and finding your unique position, your most leverageable point of difference. Once you have this, allocating your reduced marketing budget will almost be fun.

    Ultimately, this is a leadership opportunity for CMOs. Force the big-picture discussion. Remind your leadership team, “We can’t keep doing what we did before with fewer resources and expect better results.” You can also promise them that a tighter strategy is the ultimate driver of innovation.


    Written by Drew Neisser

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