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  • September 06, 2024 9:56 AM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Listen Here | From Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 413: How to Train Your CEO

    How can CMOs effectively coach their CEOs and cultivate a strong, productive relationship? In this episode, executive coach Susan Gurnik shares her expert strategies for CMOs looking to navigate the complex dynamics of working with CEOs, whether they’re first-timers or seasoned leaders.
    • Learn how to actively listen and align with your CEO’s vision, even when it’s not fully formed
    • Discover techniques for handling high-stress situations and managing all different flavors of executive leaders   
    • Explore real-world examples of successful CEO-CMO relationships and how subtle coaching can lead to transformational growth
    • Understand the importance of setting boundaries, using common language, and being adaptable in the face of ever-changing business demands
    If you’re a marketing leader looking to strengthen your relationship with your CEO and drive greater success for your organization, this episode is packed with practical advice and insights you won’t want to miss! 

    What You’ll Learn

    • How to build a better relationship with your CEO
    • Tips for active listening
    • How to navigate fundamental disagreements
    For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/
  • September 03, 2024 5:14 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    “I changed my title to Chief Market Officer,” shared a CMO from a $800mil SaaS brand. “Why do we have the only role in the C-suite with an activity-based title?” the CMO added. Knowing that other high-profile CMOs like Latané Conant used “Market” instead of “Marketing,” I held my tongue. Until now.

    But before I disparage this semantic sleight of hand, let’s review the rationale commonly offered for making this switch:

    • Perception: Using “Market” implies the role is about strategy and leading versus executing tasks
    • Recognition: Using “Market” elevates the role on par with the other executives
    • Scope: Using “Market” signifies a wider scope encompassing all market-related strategies and operations
    • Evolution: Using “Market” reflects the increasingly data-driven and customer-centric nature of the role

    Why Changing the Title Won't Change the Role

    These are all desirable outcomes. And no doubt CMOs (as a whole) could use a reputational upgrade right now. Trust in their expertise is declining. CEO expectations of rapid-pipeline acceleration are out of whack with how marketing works. Or should I say, “how markets work!”

    Unfortunately, the argument for rebranding Chief Marketing Officer to Chief Market Officer is as shallow as the one’s often made for redesigning a logo or changing a brand’s color palette. Putting a new coat of paint on old barn does not change the shabby nature of the structure.

    If old barns don’t ring your bell, how about one of these analogies:

    • Does changing the book cover impact the words inside?
    • Does renaming a dish change the recipe?
    • Could a different name have saved the Edsel, Ford’s legendary flop?
    Changing a title does not alter the fundamental nature, responsibilities, or impact of the role. The true measure of a CMO's effectiveness lies in their actions, strategies, and contributions to the organization's success, not in the specific wording of their title.

    Actions Speak Louder than Titles

    Rather than confusing the “market” with a new title, let’s focus on the meaningful change that Chief Marketing Officers are uniquely capable of delivering. Here’s that agenda:
    • Time management: Spend more time leading marketing than doing marketing
    • Strategic leadership: Create and gain consensus for a 3-year strategic go-to-market plan that recognizes the interdependencies of product, sales, marketing and CX
    • Board management: Avoid conversations about tactical specifics. Demonstrate you think big and act in the interest of the entire organization
    • Employee leadership: As the best communicator in the organization, treat employees as audience #1 and make sure they appreciate and can articulate your unique selling proposition
    • Customer-Centricity: Marketing without customer insights is like an atmosphere without oxygen. Own the research process and Customer Advisory Boards. Make sure your customer experience is so good that testimonials are as plentiful as summer sunshine
    • Foster Collaboration: Lead by example. While other execs try to build fiefdoms, be the ultimate partner. Set the agenda but share the credit
    And if all else fails, turn your CEO into an industry star. It’s not as “suck-uppy” as it sounds. A well-crafted thought leadership initiative can not only help gain exposure for your company and free speaking slots, it also can generate pipeline. Making your boss look good always works.

    A Title Won't Change Your Impact

    With apologies to the Bard, “a rose by any other name would smell as sweet in the C-suite.”


    Written by Drew Neisser

  • August 30, 2024 12:58 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Listen Here | From Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 412: The CMO Change Agent

    How can marketing truly lead transformational change in an organization? In this episode, top B2B CMOs Paige O’Neill of Seismic, Kevin Ruane of Precisely, and Amy Messano of Altair share their experiences and strategies for driving big change within their organizations.
    • Uncover the strategies behind successful brand consolidation and the impact it has on growth and employee engagement
    • Explore how to position marketing at the center of your business strategy and why it’s crucial for driving long-term success
    • Hear real-life stories of how these marketing leaders have navigated the challenges of shifting to ABM, embracing generative AI, and fostering a culture of innovation
    • Gain insights into securing and maintaining executive and board-level buy-in for ambitious marketing initiatives
    If you’re ready to take on the role of a change agent in your organization, this episode offers the insights and inspiration you need to lead with confidence. Tune in!

    What You’ll Learn

    • How 3 CMOs drive change at their organizations
    • How to navigate an acquisitive brand
    • Tips for driving organizational change
    For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/
  • August 27, 2024 4:01 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    “I dumped our BDRs” shared a disruptive CMO from a $650mil SaaS brand, “And, guess what? We’re exceeding our revenue goals.” “It was painful for those reps,” the CMO explained, “but in retrospect, it was an easy decision--their cost exceeded their value and we had better ways to spend that money.”

    Easy, perhaps. But it raised several questions in my mind:

    • Why aren’t BDRs paying out?
    • Why aren’t more CMOs ditching their BDRs?
    • What did this CMO do with the BDR budget?

    The Broken BDR Model

    Brand development representatives (BDRs) are typically expected to turn “suspects” into “prospects.” They follow up on inbound form fills or names captured at trade shows. They reach out via email, social media, texts, and phone calls. It’s usually an unfun job with high failure rates. And for good reason.

    The BDR role is built on a faulty premise.

    When you and I visit a website and provide an email address to unlock a piece of content, 99% of the time we do so begrudgingly and with trepidation. We know a rep will try to contact us, a rep we don’t want to speak with that day or maybe ever! We just wanted that content. If we were interested in speaking with someone, we would do so on our schedule. And the effort to contact us is annoying. Off-putting. Maybe even interest-killing.

    BDRs don’t fit into how most of us buy products and services for our businesses. When we recognize a need, we do our homework. Search the web. Read reviews. Confer with colleagues. Talk to analysts. We create a short list of brands we already trust and ones we discover through research.

    When ready, we’ll ask for a demo or to speak with an expert. If it’s a complex purchase, we’ll involve multiple people at our company and want multiple conversations with specialists and other customers. At no point do we want to speak with individuals who can’t bring value to the conversation.

    The BDR Safety Net that’s Dragging CMOs Down

    If BDRs are ill-conceived, then why aren’t more CMOs just saying “no?” The first answer is that at some companies BDRs are adding value. [If that’s the case for you, I’d love to hear from you.] Another is that no one bothered to do an ROI assessment. The most likely answer is that having BDRs is standard operating procedure, particularly for SaaS brands. It’s the way Marketing tries to push leads down the funnel. Tries. And fails. Way too often.

    How One CMO’s Bold Reallocation Supercharged Customer Marketing

    So, how did our disruptive CMO reallocate the BDR budget? Most of the money went into customer marketing. These dollars were used to help customers get the most value out of their current software via in-person events, webinars, and customized content. By focusing on current customers, they increased their c-sat scores, reduced churn rates, and bumped up advocacy. 75% of their revenue growth came from existing customers who bought more.

    And, how did they secure the 25% of revenue growth from new customers? Experienced salespeople did their job. They knew their category. They knew the pain points. The value proposition they shared (when asked) was consistent with what the prospects discovered on their own. They anticipated all of the prospect’s questions. They were helpful. Not pushy. And they sure as heck didn’t send unsolicited emails or texts.

    If your BDRs can do that, congrats. That’s awesome. If not, make sure what they are doing is budget-worthy.


    Written by Drew Neisser

  • August 23, 2024 11:37 AM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Listen Here | From Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 411: How to Be a Standout Startup

    Standing out in the B2B world isn’t getting any easier. In this episode, we dive deep into the art of positioning with Allyson Letteri, author of Standout Startup.

    Key findings include:

    • Learn the top three mistakes brands make and how to avoid them
    • Discover how to create compelling messaging that sets you apart   
    • Hear real-world success stories from companies like Handshake and Thumbtack
    • Understand the importance of alignment between marketing and sales
    • Get actionable tips on content strategy and customer journey optimization

    If you’re ready to transform your startup into a standout success, this episode is packed with practical advice you won’t want to miss!

    And to hear more from Allyson, she’ll be speaking at the upcoming CMO Super Huddle in Palo Alto (Nov 7th-8th, 2024).

    What You’ll Learn

    • 3 key positioning mistakes most brands are making
    • How to create compelling messaging that sets you apart 
    • Why you need to map to the customer journey
    • Real world use cases of B2B brands who mastered positioning
    For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/
  • August 22, 2024 5:39 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    “Our budget was slashed again,” exclaimed a frustrated CMO from a $75mil SaaS company. “The staff I have left is depressed, and those who can are jumping ship. Anyone have any ideas for me?” the CMO asked. And so began another CMO Huddle in the “hidden recession” of 2024.

    Reflecting on the Economic Realities

    Before breaking down the potential solutions to this common challenge for many B2B CMOs, let’s reflect on the economic realities our recent research revealed:
    • 69% of B2B marketing leaders believe their industry is in a recession
    • 50% noted their company experienced layoffs
    • 69% of marketing leaders were asked to do more with less budget
    • 76% of marketing leaders are experiencing more pressure to deliver pipeline results

    Rebuilding After Layoffs

    Now let’s tackle this CMO’s leadership challenge after layoffs and budget cuts. Most of the time, layoffs do not end up with the optimal mix of talent based on the reduced budget. Sure, you may have eliminated some weak performers. That’s always helpful. But the critical question is, given your new budget, do you have the right mix of talent? If you had started from scratch, is this the team you would have put in place?

    Optimizing Your Team

    Rather than fretting about staffers jumping ship, think of that as an opportunity to right-size and rebuild with a team unburdened by what happened before. Look for “utility players” who are eager to tackle more than one role and “Impact Players” as outlined in Liz Wiseman’s great book. These more flexible individuals will be invaluable as you look to stretch every penny.

    Questions to Guide Your Go-To-Market Strategy

    Now, on to allocating your smaller budget. The biggest mistake you can make is to cut each area equally. Instead, restart your strategic process. Notice I didn’t say “restart your budgeting process.”

    A smaller budget requires more focus. First, your smaller staff won’t be able to cover the same ground they did before. Second, your overall reach is likely to drop or your dollars will be spread too thin to make an impact. But again, you need to tackle your go-to-market strategy before deciding on budget allocation.

    So, where to focus? Here are some questions to consider:

    • Can you eliminate one or more products/services in your portfolio?
    • Can you drop a vertical market or two?
    • Can you refine your Ideal Customer Profile?
    • Can you fixate on one vulnerable competitor and win more of those deals?
    • Can you reposition your product/service to make it more appealing to a specific target?
    • Can we adopt a more distinctive personality to help us cut through?

    Finding Your Unique Market Position

    This exercise is ultimately about differentiation. Narrowing the market and finding your unique position, your most leverageable point of difference. Once you have this, allocating your reduced marketing budget will almost be fun.

    Ultimately, this is a leadership opportunity for CMOs. Force the big-picture discussion. Remind your leadership team, “We can’t keep doing what we did before with fewer resources and expect better results.” You can also promise them that a tighter strategy is the ultimate driver of innovation.


    Written by Drew Neisser

  • August 13, 2024 2:15 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    “Marketing used to be seen as order takers,” explained the CMO from a $190m services firm, “but after several years, we’re now seen as business drivers.” Several years! And that’s your internal audience. Imagine how long it takes to change external perceptions.

    Like it or not, marketing leaders must devote time to marketing their marketing.

    Not once at an “all hands” town hall. Not twice via follow-up emails. Relentlessly. Fearlessly. Consistently. Across all possible channels. Personally. And via surrogates.

    Why is this so important? Marketing often gets a bad rap in the C-suite which trickles down to disrespect across the org. Disrespect that manifests as unsolicited advice on all aspects of marketing. Advice that can derail your well-conceived plan especially if it is centered on tactics.

    Marketing is not a snowball fight. You can’t just gather your ammunition, and hurl it at your target one toss at a time. Well, you can try. But that approach inevitably fails to leave a lasting impression. Instead, think of marketing as the ball of snow rolling down a mountain, gathering girth and speed (i.e. force = mass x acceleration).

    Marketing is the cumulative impact of all your activities over time – starting with your internal audience.

    Strategies for Marketing Your Marketing Internally

    Here are several sure-fire ways of marketing your marketing internally:
    • Involve employees in your repositioning work
    • Field and share quarterly employee surveys
    • Own and indoctrinate BDRs
    • Help employees build their personal brands
    • Orchestrate innovation days
    • Create an entertaining “this week in marketing” update

    Involve Employees

    If you expect employees to believe in the brand, make them part of the process from Day 1. Keep them updated throughout the process. Before launching publicly, create a brand certification program (easily done now with GenAI) that all employees must pass.

    Quarterly Surveys

    Don’t leave this to HR. Surveying is too important. Measure eNPS. Ask if they are proud to work for your company. Include at least 2 open-ended questions. [I’m happy to share a sample survey]

    Indoctrinate BDRs

    Half the CMOs in CMO Huddles “own” BDRs. Ensuring that Marketing delivers qualified opportunities to Sales, BDRs also become marketing evangelists once they move up and around the org.

    Enable Personal Branding

    Employees are “free” brand ambassadors and can be awesome advocates if properly trained. By teaching employees how to build their personal brands, you’re helping their careers and your company.

    Orchestrate Innovation Days

    Ask your employees to work together in small teams to develop innovative solutions to your biggest challenges in one day. Have a panel of judges. Offer prizes. Implement winning ideas. Count the smiles.

    Update Weekly

    A pithy yet entertaining weekly update will educate employees on how Marketing is helping to drive the business. After a few weeks, employees will look forward to your reports.


    What’s your approach to marketing the marketing?

    Written by Drew Neisser

  • August 09, 2024 10:55 AM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Listen Here | From Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 409: The Principles of Smart Brevity

    “Even if great writing eludes you, brevity needn’t.”

    This powerful principle drives Smart Brevity, the transformative communication method pioneered by the founders of Axios. Join co-author Roy Schwartz, a true brevity mastermind, reveals how to ditch corporate waffle and get to the point.

    Discover strategies to distill complex ideas into impactful bites across the organization, like:

    • Visualizing your audience (literally)
    • The magic formula of “What’s New” and “Why It Matters”
    • Mastering information hierarchy

    • Crafting compelling internal updates

    • Transforming your team into concise communicators

    Learn why 200,000+ pros swear by Smart Brevity. Your audience (and inbox) will thank you.

    What You’ll Learn 

    • The core principles behind impactful writing  
    • How to get good at smart brevity
    • How smart brevity connects to pipeline and revenue
    For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/
  • August 06, 2024 4:04 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    “Be careful,” warned a CMO from a $475mil SaaS brand, “Sales just doesn’t pay attention until they absolutely have to.” “Even if you involve Sales early in messaging development there will still be last-minute surprises,” they added.

    Ah yes, the Marketing versus Sales conflict is alive and well again in 2024. And not just about messaging. It’s uglier than that.

    Marketing vs Sales

    For a few years (2021-2023), it looked like the grown-ups in both departments had worked things out. Civility ruled, or so it seemed. We spent very little time in Huddles talking about Sales dropping the ball or Sales not closing. Not anymore. The partnership, if it ever existed, is breaking down. The blame game is back.

    So What’s Changed?

    In the immortal words of James Carville, “It’s the economy stupid.” More specifically, the B2B economy. Our research among 121 B2B marketing leaders identifies significant economic softness. Budgets are down, sales cycles are up and 69% of those surveyed believe their industry is in a recession.

    When the going gets tough, the weak blame Marketing. Or Sales.

    In their hearts, CMOs know it is fruitless to blame Sales. Even if they are covering every salesperson with more than enough qualified opportunities. Even if these same salespeople revert to a pricing pitch the minute a prospect pushes back. Even if their close rate is well below the category average. Like it or not, if Sales is faltering, Marketing loses too.

    When a descending tide lowers all the boats, the crafty prevail.

    5 Strategies

    Here are 5 crafty strategies for B2B CMOs to eliminate the blame game and beat the tide:
    • Joint metrics reporting: Eliminate any “marketing-sourced” metrics from your reports. Issue one metrics report from Sales & Marketing to demonstrate your united effort to drive pipeline and close deals. Present reports together
    • Align staff: Everyone in Marketing should have at least 1 “buddy” in Sales with whom they meet regularly. Someone from Marketing should attend every Sales meeting and vice versa. The days of a “hand-off” are over
    • Deal rooms: To concentrate attention on the big deals, create a physical or virtual “war room.” The room should house competitive intel, in-depth profiles of the buying committee, timetables, contact assignments, sales enablement tools like a how-we-beat-each-competitor matrix, etc.
    • Go on sales calls: Sure you can listen to calls via tools like Gong but that’s not the same as experiencing the actual challenge of selling. Walk a mile or two in sales’ shoes and good things happen. More respect from Sales. More empathy for salespeople. And more insight into the messaging challenges you’re uniquely equipped to solve
    • Test a big bet: A tweak here or there to your messaging won’t fight the tide. Pick a vertical market and disrupt it with an outrageous added-value offer. Something irresistible. Something that accelerates the “speed to hero” for the buyer

    Written by Drew Neisser

  • August 02, 2024 10:55 AM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Listen Here | From Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 408: The ROI Roadmap: Decoding B2B Marketing Success Metrics

    How are top marketers leveraging data to drive business growth and make smarter decisions? From demand creation to lead conversion, this episode explores the metrics that truly matter in today’s B2B landscape.

    Host Drew Neisser welcomes a stellar panel of veteran CMOs to dive deep into the data-driven world of modern marketing: Jamie Gier of Dexcare, Grant Johnson (previously Billtrust), and Julia Goebel of Komodo Health.

    Tune in for their expertise on:

    • Pipeline contribution and revenue forecasting
    • Brand health measurement 
    • Aligning marketing with sales through analytics
    • Proving marketing ROI to the C-suite
    This episode is packed with actionable insights for metrics maestros and analytics novices alike. Don’t miss it!

    What You’ll Learn

    • What’s on 3 B2B CMO dashboards
    • How to balance leading and lagging indicators

    • SDR ownership, brand health metrics, & MarTech tools

    For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/

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