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  • July 30, 2024 11:23 AM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    “Everybody is a marketer,” chimed a CMO from a $95mil SaaS company, “no matter their background or expertise.” This generated a chorus of “amens” and a thoughtful discussion on leading through this challenge.

    This huddle of CMOs was way past lamentation. Even though it would be inconceivable for the CRO to offer financial advice to the CFO or the HR leader to drop security tips on the CISO, no such boundaries exist around Marketing.

    Marketing is Fair Game and Everyone Wants to Play

    Rather than fight this truth, many B2B CMOs are finding strength in acceptance and turning what could be a negative into an opportunity. Think of this as leadership jujitsu. It’s using an opponent's momentum to your advantage. Not that your fellow C-Suite members are opponents, it just seems that way sometimes.

    As one CMO shared, “Since they were going to weigh in anyway, I now involve my peers in all key marketing decisions.” “The remarkable part is that we now share responsibility in the outcomes, we all have skin in the game and it's not just on me,” this CMO added.

    Sorting Through CEO Suggestions

    The most problematic source of marketing ideas is your CEO. First-time CEOs often suffer from rapid-idea syndrome. Everything they read, every event they attend, every conversation they have results in “fresh” input for their CMO (and the rest of the leadership team). And, first-time CMOs rarely have the confidence or experience to handle these barrages. Chaos ensues.

    Veteran CMOs deploy a variety of approaches. One 3x CMO noted, “My rule is 50% of what they suggest I can ignore (bad idea and they forget it anyway), 40% are good ideas but not relevant at present so I park for later, 10% are smart ideas or passion projects that need to be acted on immediately.” “Amazingly, I have seen this ratio apply to my last 3 CEOs,” the CMO added.

    Training a Meddlesome CEO

    In an ideal world, every CEO would be great at their job. They would know how to be a leader. They would understand their three fundamental roles:
    • Set a clear vision
    • Hire a team that can fulfill the vision
    • Allocate resources to turn the vision into a reality
    Because it’s not an ideal world, many CEOs are micromanagers. Their insecurities drive them into the weeds and drive their direct reports crazy. These CEOs can’t help themselves. But CMOs can – by learning how to coach and lead their CEOs by example. So, yes, I’m adding coaching expertise to the long list of must-have skills for CMOs.

    While I can’t possibly cover coaching in this post, here are three suggestions from executive coach Susan Gurnik:

    • Build trust by listening deeply to the CEO. You need to understand how they communicate. If they see the big picture or are more likely to focus on tasks and duties
    • Help the CEO to listen deeply to you. Learn to ask questions in a non-threatening manner. Be vulnerable. By asking them how you can listen better to them, you are coaching the CEO on how to work with you
    • Create a common language that fosters trust and understanding. You need to reach an agreement on vision, priorities, marketing’s role, metrics, and how you’ll collaborate
    Written by Drew Neisser
  • July 26, 2024 10:10 AM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Listen Here | From Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 407: The New B2B SEO Trifecta: Blogging, Tools, and Segmentation

    What’s working today in SEO for B2B SaaS brands?

    In this data-packed episode, digital marketing expert Tom Shapiro, CEO of Stratabeat, unveils the answers, drawing from an extensive study of 250 B2B SaaS websites. Prepare to challenge your assumptions and discover actionable strategies that can dramatically improve your search rankings and organic traffic.

    Key findings include:

    • Blogging 5-8x per month increases Google top 10 keywords by 47.9%, compared to just 10% for 1-4 posts
    • Websites offering online tools saw a 40.8% boost in top 10 keyword rankings   
    • Original research boosted top 10 keyword rankings by 36% on average
    • Audience segmentation led to a 31.7% increase in Google top 10 rankings, vs. 12.4% for non-segmented sites

    Discover why blogging frequency is the low-hanging fruit you can’t afford to ignore, learn how online tools can unexpectedly boost your SEO, and find out why audience segmentation might be your secret weapon. This data-driven deep dive challenges conventional wisdom and provides a roadmap for dominating search results in today’s hyper-competitive landscape. Tune in!

    [The B2B SaaS SEO Performance Study is brought to you by Stratabeat and CMO Huddles]

    What You’ll Learn

    • Why blogging frequency matters
    • The power of online tools and long-form content   
    • Why audience segmentation works
    For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/
  • July 23, 2024 1:30 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    “Thank goodness events are working again,” shared a relieved CMO from a $60 million software company. Then other CMOs in the huddle offered variations on this theme. The collective relief was palpable. Several important insights emerged.

    B2B CMOs' Collective Anxiety

    I’ll get to the event-related insights shortly. But there’s a bigger fish to fry first. And that’s the general unease that exists among B2B CMOs right now. The demand generation playbooks that many relied upon for the last 5 years have hit a wall. CMOs are grumbling about the costs of once-vaunted ABM tools relative to the value delivered. In reality, macroeconomic factors like higher interest rates have lowered the purchasing tide for most marketing boats.

    Whether or not you blame the economy or the playbooks (the same ones that were killing it two years ago), B2B CMOs are in a bit of a funk. And that’s a problem too. CMOs, like preachers, need to project confidence. Given the typical lag time between action and impact, great marketing requires a leap of faith. And before the attribution junkies get out your darts, allow me to explain.

    Great Marketers Driving Change

    Great marketers transform businesses.

    They uncover the insights that drive the ideas that differentiate the brand inside and out. They fix broken go-to-market strategies. They tell the stories that motivate employees and rally customers. They fix dysfunctional cultures. They build the tools that make it easier for prospects to justify the purchase. They bring focus. And yes, they drive pipeline and revenue. But not without a significant lag time between these actions and their related impact.

    Events Fueling Revenue Growth

    Okay, pep talk over.

    Back to events. For the relieved software CMO, the (“surprisingly effective”) events were not trade shows or fancy executive dinners. They weren’t even intended to drive net new revenue. Instead, this company was hosting seminars at the offices of their largest customers to help them get the most out of their software. Like many software providers, they knew their customers weren’t always using their product to its fullest potential. Fixing this would increase customer satisfaction and lower churn.

    Surprising Wins and Shared Insights

    But a funny thing happened along the way.

    Other employees showed up at these seminars. And, when they felt their peers' excitement about the software, they requested licenses too. Suddenly a retention effort became an acquisition campaign. “These events have become our most effective revenue drivers,” exclaimed the CMO, “which is huge since doing these events is not cheap!”

    Other CMOs noted that events were similarly working for them. “We’ve been doing roadshows in our largest markets,” shared a CMO from a $750 million cybersecurity company. “Most of the attendees are our customers and they do all of the selling to the prospects who join us,” the CMO declared. Part of the story is that work-from-home execs crave in-person contact with peers. But the bigger message is that investments in retention can double as acquisition vehicles.

    Final Thoughts

    Marketing is rarely a straight line from action to intended impact. But then again, neither are most B2B purchase journeys. You can do no wrong by doing right by your customers. They will sustain you during challenging economic times.

    In the meantime, keep the faith.

    Written by Drew Neisser

  • July 19, 2024 11:25 AM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Listen Here | From Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 406: Building High-Performance Marketing Teams

    When CMOs invest in growing their people, they grow their impact. And with the right coaching strategies in place, they ensure their teams not only keep pace with industry changes, but also drive innovation and set new standards.

    In this illuminating episode, join host Drew Neisser as he welcomes three exceptional CMOs to share their insights on nurturing high-performing teams:

    Discover how these leaders foster a culture of continuous learning, provide meaningful feedback, and adapt to the challenges of remote work. From creating individualized career paths to measuring employee satisfaction, our guests reveal their strategies for unlocking team potential and driving innovation.

    Key topics include:

    • Building a feedback-rich environment
    • Balancing hard skills with essential ‘power skills’   
    • Adapting coaching methods for the hybrid workplace
    • Incorporating learning and development into recruiting strategies
    • Measuring the impact of talent development initiatives

    By championing continuous improvement, CMOs lay the groundwork for dynamic and forward-thinking teams. Tune in for a masterclass in talent development from some of B2B marketing’s brightest minds! 

    What You’ll Learn

    • How 3 CMOs coach and develop talent
    • How to create a feedback-rich environment  
    • How to foster a culture of learning
    For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/
  • July 16, 2024 2:33 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)


    “AI won’t replace me” declared a CMO from a global consulting firm, “but it will replace those who don’t embrace these tools.” The Brxnd.ai conference audience nodded in wishful agreement. Of course, these were the early adopters. The ones who are not just creating words and pictures faster. These folks are making stuff, crazy-imaginative, differentiating stuff. They will be fine. But what about everyone else?

    The Harsh Reality

    Allow me to get bleak for a sentence or two. Marketing jobs will be lost, from bottom to top. If you are a mediocre writer, designer, BDR, strategist, data analyst or you name it, there’s a person-aided-bot gunning for your job. Either you figure out how to leverage these tools to improve your skills and accelerate your output, or you’ll be like the proverbial frog in the gradually warming water.

    Even CMOs are at risk. We’ve already seen a couple hundred B2B CMO roles eliminated in tech land as PE firms slash budgets in search of short-term EBIDTA bumps. In many of these cases, a VP of DemandGen assumed the top marketing job. Was GenAI connected? Not directly but there’s little doubt that investors are banking on increases in efficiency from marketing departments – and there’s an unstated hope that GenAI will be part of the solution.

    The Opportunity for CMOs

    Here’s the irony. CMOs are perfectly positioned to realize the true potential of GenAI and lead the GenAI transformation [that I see as inevitable]. CMOs already have the largest tech budgets and are used to assessing, acquiring, and deploying tech. They also have the broadest perspective on all the stakeholders including employees, customers, prospects, and partners. And they have one more characteristic that is dearly lacking in other departments–imagination. Great CMOs understand the power of well-executed big ideas. They have the curiosity to seek the answer behind the answer behind the answer. They live in a world fueled by ANDs, not ORs. Brand AND Demand. Creativity AND LLMs. Humans AND Machines. They connect dots that others simply can’t for lack of imagination.

    The Impact of Gen AI

    Here’s how I imagine GenAI making its biggest impact: Helping imaginative CMOs differentiate their companies by building target-delighting stuff around one big idea. Stuff they didn’t have the time, budget, or know how to create in the PG (pre-GenAI) epoch.

    Sure, they’ll also use these tools to personalize at scale, to localize at scale, and to find THE insight from thousands of hours of interviews in minutes. And they’ll accelerate the testing of every little thing. Lots of optimization will happen. But the gold?

    That will be found in imaginative tools that capture mind space. Like the stuff Jenny Nicholson (see QueenOfWords.co) creates week after week at her kitchen table. She’s not a developer. Or coder. But she’s cracked the code of GenAI.

    Her advice to CMOs? You’re the artist. GenAI is just the paintbrush. Paint the future.

    Written by Drew Neisser

  • July 12, 2024 11:45 AM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Listen Here | From Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 405: Never Split the Difference: CMO Edition

    What if the secret to becoming an influential CMO lies in the tactics used by FBI hostage negotiators?

    In this essential episode, Drew Neisser welcomes Chris Voss, former FBI hostage negotiator and author of “Never Split the Difference,” to share game-changing conflict resolution and negotiation strategies for B2B marketing leaders.

    By listening, you’ll learn how to:

    • Turn potential conflicts into collaborative problem-solving sessions
    • Use tactical empathy to align with stakeholders

    • Adapt your negotiation style to different personality types

    • Increase your emotional intelligence for more effective leadership

    • Techniques for managing stress and conflict in high-stake situations

    Voss reveals counterintuitive approaches to help CMOs transform the most challenging C-Suite conversations into collaborative wins. Whether you’re advocating for your marketing budget, aligning with sales on lead goals, or negotiating with external agencies, this episode offers invaluable lessons from one of the world’s top negotiation experts.

    Tune in!

    What You’ll Learn 

    • How to turn conflict into a collaborative problem-solving session  
    • Why tactical empathy is so important for conflict resolution
    • How to adapt your negotiation style to different personality types
    For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/
  • July 09, 2024 4:02 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)


    “It’s so disheartening,” shared a 3x CMO, “I’ve never been a better candidate but keep coming up short.” In case you’ve been under a rock, it’s a brutal market for CMOs in transition. And unless interest rates drop, it’s likely to stay that way through 2024.

    There simply aren’t enough openings, especially in B2B, to meet the supply of highly effective CMOs. This situation is taking an emotional toll that decreases the chances of these otherwise talented professionals securing their next opportunity. It’s a vicious cycle. And while a healthier emotional state won’t create more roles, it along with the steps outlined below can make the process less painful.

    Reconnect With Your Strengths

    Step 1 requires calling a wide range of former colleagues and seeking candid feedback. Ask for brutal honesty on your strengths and shortcomings. Your listening tour will serve multiple purposes. You’ll be reminded of you at your best and where you found the most joy. You’ll know who you can count on for references. And you’ll draft some allies for your search. Don’t hesitate to call any of them. They know they are only one missed sales target away from being in your shoes.

    Join a Peer Group

    Do not go it alone. Knowing others are in the same situation is somewhat comforting but helping others (when you’re down) is uplifting. Your peer group needs to meet regularly with a defined process, set agendas, and homework assignments. When you prep someone for an interview or review their latest content, you’ll be reminded of your overall competency. And you’ll be grateful for the thoughtful feedback from a peer.

    Define Your Personal Brand

    Apply your strategic marketing skills to yourself. Write down your superpower(s) and other points of difference. Draft a personal manifesto that covers why you are in marketing in the first place and the impact you have at organizations. Write your draft and then discuss it with members of your peer group. If you use terms like data-driven and high-achieving, go deeper. You’ll know you have it right when it drives your content. [Ask me for the CMO Huddles personal branding worksheet.]

    Identify Your Top 25

    Employers are close–mindedly looking for 5x5 matches. The 5 areas are category, growth stage, target (enterprise, SMB), ownership structure (PE, VC, public, private), and physical location. Use that knowledge to your advantage by creating a list of 25 companies that align with your most recent experience(s) and current location. This list will drive your outbound marketing campaign (see next step).

    Execute Your Outbound

    This is a lot of work so pace yourself. It involves creating content, searching your network for possible introductions, and a touch of stalking. Think of each piece of content (like a written post on LinkedIn) as a “love letter” to one CEO on your Top 25. This post offers meaty advice to that CEO based on your unique category insights. If you have a LinkedIn connection with that CEO, ask them to share your post. If you don’t, start engaging (aka stalking) the CEO on LinkedIn or elsewhere. You can also try email, calling, and direct mail. 

    Hone Your Skills

    Many CMOs in transition are there for the first time. Any athlete or artist knows that their skills only stay sharp with constant and well-structured practice. Establish a rigorous interview prep process (ideally one that gets you to eye opening insights). Start tracking the questions you are asked and the answers you provide in interviews. Review those with a member of your peer group.

    Written by Drew Neisser

  • July 08, 2024 10:56 AM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Listen Here | From Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 404: CMO Search Success Stories

    What does it really take to secure a CMO position in today’s competitive landscape? Whether you’re actively job searching or want to be prepared for future opportunities, this episode is packed with actionable insights from two CMOs who recently landed coveted roles and the recruiter who helped place them: You’ll learn:
    • How to strategically approach your job search and stand out from the crowd

    • The importance of personal branding and articulating your unique value   
    • The value of networking with other CMOs
    • How to quantify your impact during interviews and presentations
    • Why culture fit matters and how to evaluate it during the interview process

    Don’t miss this candid conversation on navigating the CMO job market, leveraging your network, and positioning yourself for success in your next CMO role. Tune in!

    What You’ll Learn

    • Important steps in the CMO job search
    • How to build recruiter relationships  
    • How to find a great culture fit
    • How to stand out as a CMO today
    For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/
  • July 02, 2024 2:50 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    “Our CEO called me out for getting less done in year 2” recalled a CMO at a $2 billion software company, “and guess what, the CEO was right!” Thanks to an honest “kick in the butt,” this particular CMO enjoyed two more highly effective years at the company. While the “Year Two Blues” is a common affliction, getting a reprieve is not. As such, CMOs need to recognize the symptoms and take this prescribed course of action.

    But before we get there, let’s revel in a great Year One. With your “30/60/90” plan in hand on Day 1, you identified numerous quick wins (ask me for our list of these). These wins buy you the credibility and time you need to tackle the bigger strategic issues like messaging, brand, and the website. You upgraded your direct reports and provided the air cover they need to fend off inane time-sucking requests. You also built or rebuilt a demand-generation engine that is helping to meet or exceed revenue targets. Even your CFO recognizes Marketing’s impact, asking “What would happen if we gave you $X million more?”

    The Onset of Year Two Blues

    Year One was a ton of work and stressful. The good news is that you finally have the organizational connections, category understanding, and customer insights to make an even bigger difference. The bad news is that you are exhausted. Naturally, you and your team drift toward optimizing the good stuff you’ve built. Welcome to the Year Two Blues.

    Taking a Break to Recharge

    After confirming your accomplishments at the end of Year One, you tell your boss you’ll be back in 14 days. [NOTE: For those negotiating a new CMO role, bake a break into your contract.] Get some sleep. Exercise. Breathe. Pamper yourself. Seek inspiration. Read a book or four like “Impact Players.” Go to a conference. Visit a natural wonder. And wonder. Breathe. 

    Setting Audacious Goals

    Write down 3 audacious goals to review with your team, peers, and boss. Each of these audacious goals translates to one or more initiatives. Here’s a starter list of matched goals and initiatives that the CMOs of CMO Huddles have implemented with great success in Year Two:

    Customer Retention

    • Start or revamp your Customer Advisory Board
    • Establish executive sponsors for key customers
    • Elevate customer training & certification programs
    • Establish/build community via events
    Market Expansion
    • Initiate partnerships that provide a more robust solution for new verticals
    • Conduct research study that reframes your solution and generates massive PR
    • Write the book that positions your company in a new category
    • Develop a robust customer advocacy program that celebrates their success (i.e. testimonial videos, awards, special events, social sharing, etc)
    Employee Retention
    • Take over employee comms and make ‘em fun
    • Lead corporate-wide GenAI adoption
    • Create a certification program on new messaging and branding
    • Run employee innovation competitions
    • Involve employees in brand discovery research

    Written by Drew Neisser

  • June 28, 2024 11:55 AM | Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Listen Here | From Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 403: Partnerships: The Secret Weapon for B2B Growth

    As budgets tighten, partnerships emerge as a beacon for innovation and growth.

    In this electrifying episode, Drew Neisser sits down with Asher Matthew, co-founder and CEO of Partnership Leaders, to uncover the power of strategic partnerships in B2B marketing. Tune in to discover:

    • Why partnerships are a key growth lever for B2B organizations
    • The hidden “planning tax” that derails partnerships – and how to dodge it   
    • The three layers of effective partnerships: production, distribution, and consumption
    • The rise of the “Chief Partnership Officer” and what it means for your organization
    • Cutting-edge metrics to prove your partnerships are pulling their weight

    Asher shares invaluable insights on building high-quality, repeatable partnerships that drive real business results, using their strong partnership with HubSpot as an example. Learn how to leverage co-marketing, navigate relationships with larger partners, and create win-win scenarios that expand your reach and credibility.

    Whether you’re a CMO looking to stretch every marketing dollar or a partnership professional seeking to up your game, this episode is packed with actionable strategies to supercharge your B2B partnerships.

    What You’ll Learn

    • How to manage a successful B2B partnership
    • What a modern partnership professional looks like   
    • How to measure partnerships
    For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcast/

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